> In April, Mr. Ghalibaf was set to travel to Islamabad to meet with Vice President JD Vance. But Iranian security officials were concerned that Israel would use the opportunity to assassinate Mr. Ghalibaf or Mr. Araghchi to derail the talks, the officials said.
> Iranians sought guarantees from the United States, through Pakistani and Qatari intermediaries, that Israel would not carry out any covert operations targeting the Iranian delegation, the officials said.
> Pakistani fighter jets escorted the Iranian airplanes carrying a delegation of more than 70 Iranians from the border of Iran to Islamabad and back again when the session was over.
> But on the way back to Tehran, an Israeli security threat emerged.
> Iran’s security forces notified the plane carrying Mr. Ghalibaf back to Tehran that they had picked up intelligence that Israel planned to attack the plane and that two Israeli fighter jets had entered Iran’s airspace from its western border near Iraq, the two officials said.
> Mahdi Mohammadi, a senior adviser for Mr. Ghalibaf, who accompanied him to Islamabad, confirmed this account on his social media page. The plane made an emergency landing in the city of Mashhad, Iran’s closest airport to the Pakistani border, and the Iranian delegation traveled some eight hours by land back to Tehran, Mr. Mohammadi and the two officials said.
> U.S. officials believed that Israel might have been plotting to kill Iran’s top negotiators while Washington was engaged with Tehran in delicate talks this spring to reach an interim peace deal, according to current and former American officials.
> Killing senior Iranian leaders had been part of Israel’s strategy from the start of the war. But American concerns about the targeting of two particular Iranian officials — Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s foreign minister, and Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the speaker of the Parliament — spiked during delicate cease-fire negotiations that began in April.
> Fearful that an Israeli assassination effort would doom the negotiations, the United States, according to some of the officials, went so far as to ask other countries in the region to warn Iran about the possibility Israel could target the two officials.
If you frame it as an entity that launders the military industrial complex's desires to test weapons, keep congress beholden, and keep conflicts going forever – then work backwards from there, the allowance of their subversion makes perfect sense, as well as the over the top allegiance of those congresscritters it buys.
Dunno if that is how it works but I have never been able to square the capitulation in our government without that tie. This is also considering the influence of christian z's.
Not just that, a hugely disproportionate number of American politicians are Jewish. It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic to point out that objective fact.
it is if you think the reason is something that's not benign, or if you are keeping track of it and spreading it hoping to foment anger.
A hugely disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews (22% vs 0.2% of total population) and that's with 6 million killed in the holocaust. By Occam's razor, that's a lot of really smart people, and I prefer having smart leaders.
Do you think the President of Mexico and Ukraine are Jewish because Mossad?
Let me guess, you think all the above is because they cheated?
I don't know or care if Mossad has anything to do with their positions, that wasn't my point. My point was that Israel doesn't even need to blackmail or bribe politicians when they already have some allegiance to Israel (ie. being Jewish).
I mean, if there was an ethnostate for my people, and I happened to be in an influential position in a foreign superpower, you'd better believe I'm taking every opportunity to fleece the foreigners to send resources to my family, friends, and people back home. I don't know how you could live with yourself if you didn't do this.
Jewish politicians in the US certainly seem to see it this way in any matter regarding Israel or the Jewish people.
It's important to note that there are very many Jews in the world who are not Zionist and many Jews in Israel who disagree with the Palestinian genocide.
They're not the majority, but there are still a lot of them.
anything that says that IQ tests don't work is just woke DEI "we don't like the results so we'll dismiss them". IQ testing is a very well trialed and tested field, it's one of the earliest uses of statistics in science.
Look what Rütte did. Everybody knows how to play Trump. The whole world now plays "do whatever you want, just take care to make Trump thinking he looks good while doing it, or at least afterwards".
The US isn't an actor anymore on the global stage. It's the playball.
p.s. It ought to go without saying, but this has nothing to do with the views that you're for or against. It's possible to make your substantive points without breaking HN's rules, so please do so.
Their PR machine is amazing in how it's conflated criticism of the Israeli government with anti-Semitism, in a country where religion and state are supposed to be separate (not that we're very good at that, mind you). And they've convinced the world that the Holocaust somehow allows them to perpetrate the same crimes against humanity with impunity.
It's incredibly frustration because the only "reasonable" opinion allowed is full-throated support of Israel or else. There's no allowance for nuance.
Extreme hatred of Israel can be called antizionism or Israel Derangement Syndrome and aligns well with anti-Western and anti-American views. See how many comments insult both America and Israel here. Antizionism is the intense hatred and focus of one tiny middle Eastern country. It is not normal but it has been normalised. Antizionism is a hate movement.
It's incredibly frustrating because the only "reasonable" opinion we're allowed is full-throated denial of Israel's right to exist and the end of anything Jewish associated with it. There's no allowance for nuance.
I’d like someone to steel man for me why is this an HN-compliant topic?
I’d love to harp on Israel I don’t even mind being called an anti-Semite or whatever, but give some decent justification why this keeps coming up on Hacker News of all places.
They killed their own citizens on October 7th just to pump up the numbers. There are recordings made public where Ben Gvir is ordering more killings. I can't stand how our mainstream media completely ignores all of Israel's crimes. Even when Israelis come here to sexual assault people in Las Vegas, or open biolabs, or steal technology... it's always swept under the rug.
Launch an unprovoked attack, do it under cover of negotiation, and then attack diplomatic envoys.
Belligerence, perfidy, and I don't even know the term for that last part, it's so unheard-of. We have violated rules of warfare that were already old thousands of years ago.
I have seen this question online numerous times, but I fail to understand why they expect shame from the shameless, and truth from liars, and respect of law from people who maximize loophole usage.
Every time I see a photo of Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran, Abbas Araghchi, I instantly think I am looking at a picture of author Nicholas Nassim Talib (Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness).
What you can read between the lines is far more interesting than the headline.
I am giving the NYT the credibility that they thoroughly check their sources, so the question is why would anyone from the US Government want this to be publicly available information?
It makes all involved parties look like idiots.
This report basically says that the us administration currently has terrible intelligence relationships with Israel, if they have not been informed officially as a direct strategic partner in the Iran war over the planned operation. It’s kinda important if your ally plans to blow up the people you negotiate your own peace deal with, don’t you think?
It also means that the "we don’t spy on allies", Americans, indeed spy on allies. I’m absolutely shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
How else do you get in possession of information that your war ally didn’t seem necessary to share, if not by spying?
It also says that Mossad/IDF leaks at the highest level because the assassination of government officials who are actively brokering a peace deal is a kind of very high-level decision.
Still, if this actually happened this way, it’s not a power play to make this public, it is dumb. But dumb is the signature move of the current US administration, so it makes the report even more believable.
We deny with all force this slanderous libel that evil people keep spreading because of their senseless hatred. Water is not just not wet, it's in fact the dryest imaginable substance. We have tested it thoroughly in our laboratories- which as everybody knows are the most advanced in the world- and we have found in it not the slightest amount of wetness. I have personally spoken with the US ambassador about this matter and he reaffirmed the complete trust of his country in the absolute dryness of water.
I don't necessarily look at a newspaper article as evidence. Especially when all the sources are "A U.S. official". Source quaility maters which is consistent with criminal case law.
This is an absurd statement. Israel has been killing innocent people in the region since it was created. Iran is right to stand up to them. Bonus points that as an American they're also standing up for me against the Zionists who manipulate my government and steal my money.
We are aligned against Zionism. Few countries are willing to stand up to Israel and Iran is #1 in that regard. Iran is the only country fighting the people bribing and blackmailing my government, stripping my rights and stealing my money.
The chant, as officially translated by the government itself [1] means "Down with the USA". "Death to" is a purposeful (literal) mistranslation to make it sound like it's a genocidal statement.
https://archive.is/QIePX
> In April, Mr. Ghalibaf was set to travel to Islamabad to meet with Vice President JD Vance. But Iranian security officials were concerned that Israel would use the opportunity to assassinate Mr. Ghalibaf or Mr. Araghchi to derail the talks, the officials said.
> Iranians sought guarantees from the United States, through Pakistani and Qatari intermediaries, that Israel would not carry out any covert operations targeting the Iranian delegation, the officials said.
> Pakistani fighter jets escorted the Iranian airplanes carrying a delegation of more than 70 Iranians from the border of Iran to Islamabad and back again when the session was over.
> But on the way back to Tehran, an Israeli security threat emerged.
> Iran’s security forces notified the plane carrying Mr. Ghalibaf back to Tehran that they had picked up intelligence that Israel planned to attack the plane and that two Israeli fighter jets had entered Iran’s airspace from its western border near Iraq, the two officials said.
> Mahdi Mohammadi, a senior adviser for Mr. Ghalibaf, who accompanied him to Islamabad, confirmed this account on his social media page. The plane made an emergency landing in the city of Mashhad, Iran’s closest airport to the Pakistani border, and the Iranian delegation traveled some eight hours by land back to Tehran, Mr. Mohammadi and the two officials said.
in what you quoted, nothing says "U.S. officials believed..." as the headline states
> U.S. officials believed that Israel might have been plotting to kill Iran’s top negotiators while Washington was engaged with Tehran in delicate talks this spring to reach an interim peace deal, according to current and former American officials.
> Killing senior Iranian leaders had been part of Israel’s strategy from the start of the war. But American concerns about the targeting of two particular Iranian officials — Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s foreign minister, and Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the speaker of the Parliament — spiked during delicate cease-fire negotiations that began in April.
> Fearful that an Israeli assassination effort would doom the negotiations, the United States, according to some of the officials, went so far as to ask other countries in the region to warn Iran about the possibility Israel could target the two officials.
Vicious. Adding to the mountain of evidence that Israel wants the region in flames.
It's incredible how badly the US has been dog-walked by both its 'ally' as well as Iran.
"America First" brought to you by "The Peace President"[1].
[1] https://xcancel.com/WhiteHouse/status/1976081153699508480
im really not convinced israel is an ally, vs a nuclear threat that has had the US by the balls for decades.
who else has attacked the US navy with the US staying hush hush about it?
If you frame it as an entity that launders the military industrial complex's desires to test weapons, keep congress beholden, and keep conflicts going forever – then work backwards from there, the allowance of their subversion makes perfect sense, as well as the over the top allegiance of those congresscritters it buys.
Dunno if that is how it works but I have never been able to square the capitulation in our government without that tie. This is also considering the influence of christian z's.
There is only so much you can do when you've been purchased by mossad.
Purchased, blackmailed, threatened, or all 3. There's a lot of tools in the intelligence toolbox.
Not just that, a hugely disproportionate number of American politicians are Jewish. It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic to point out that objective fact.
Not only that, but even a lot who aren't Jewish are openly zionists - e.g. Joe Biden.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens...
>It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic
it is if you think the reason is something that's not benign, or if you are keeping track of it and spreading it hoping to foment anger.
A hugely disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews (22% vs 0.2% of total population) and that's with 6 million killed in the holocaust. By Occam's razor, that's a lot of really smart people, and I prefer having smart leaders.
Do you think the President of Mexico and Ukraine are Jewish because Mossad?
Let me guess, you think all the above is because they cheated?
I don't know or care if Mossad has anything to do with their positions, that wasn't my point. My point was that Israel doesn't even need to blackmail or bribe politicians when they already have some allegiance to Israel (ie. being Jewish).
I mean, if there was an ethnostate for my people, and I happened to be in an influential position in a foreign superpower, you'd better believe I'm taking every opportunity to fleece the foreigners to send resources to my family, friends, and people back home. I don't know how you could live with yourself if you didn't do this.
Jewish politicians in the US certainly seem to see it this way in any matter regarding Israel or the Jewish people.
It's important to note that there are very many Jews in the world who are not Zionist and many Jews in Israel who disagree with the Palestinian genocide.
They're not the majority, but there are still a lot of them.
They are a lot but they're a small minority overall.
Are you claiming Jews are more intelligent than non-Jews?
I'm not claiming it, just repeating it, it's very well known in IQ testing. Ashkenazi Jews test more than a standard deviation above the mean.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence
anything that says that IQ tests don't work is just woke DEI "we don't like the results so we'll dismiss them". IQ testing is a very well trialed and tested field, it's one of the earliest uses of statistics in science.
So you do think Jews are smarter than non-Jews. I welcome your return to reality. It will be well deserved.
Look what Rütte did. Everybody knows how to play Trump. The whole world now plays "do whatever you want, just take care to make Trump thinking he looks good while doing it, or at least afterwards".
The US isn't an actor anymore on the global stage. It's the playball.
You’d think he could have done better, what with all that foreign policy experience from his years on The Apprentice.
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Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? We've been having to ask you about this for years:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28364581 (Aug 2021)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24207111 (Aug 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24195905 (Aug 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18550150 (Nov 2018)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16446553 (Feb 2018)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15459663 (Oct 2017)
p.s. It ought to go without saying, but this has nothing to do with the views that you're for or against. It's possible to make your substantive points without breaking HN's rules, so please do so.
I can't help but notice that you said you would ban this account and yet it's here again spreading hasbara.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48563886
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48768670
Their PR machine is amazing in how it's conflated criticism of the Israeli government with anti-Semitism, in a country where religion and state are supposed to be separate (not that we're very good at that, mind you). And they've convinced the world that the Holocaust somehow allows them to perpetrate the same crimes against humanity with impunity.
It's incredibly frustration because the only "reasonable" opinion allowed is full-throated support of Israel or else. There's no allowance for nuance.
Extreme hatred of Israel can be called antizionism or Israel Derangement Syndrome and aligns well with anti-Western and anti-American views. See how many comments insult both America and Israel here. Antizionism is the intense hatred and focus of one tiny middle Eastern country. It is not normal but it has been normalised. Antizionism is a hate movement.
It's incredibly frustrating because the only "reasonable" opinion we're allowed is full-throated denial of Israel's right to exist and the end of anything Jewish associated with it. There's no allowance for nuance.
I’d like someone to steel man for me why is this an HN-compliant topic?
I’d love to harp on Israel I don’t even mind being called an anti-Semite or whatever, but give some decent justification why this keeps coming up on Hacker News of all places.
Can't believe that Israel would do something they've done several times already.
They killed their own citizens on October 7th just to pump up the numbers. There are recordings made public where Ben Gvir is ordering more killings. I can't stand how our mainstream media completely ignores all of Israel's crimes. Even when Israelis come here to sexual assault people in Las Vegas, or open biolabs, or steal technology... it's always swept under the rug.
Launch an unprovoked attack, do it under cover of negotiation, and then attack diplomatic envoys.
Belligerence, perfidy, and I don't even know the term for that last part, it's so unheard-of. We have violated rules of warfare that were already old thousands of years ago.
At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?
> At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?
I have seen this question online numerous times, but I fail to understand why they expect shame from the shameless, and truth from liars, and respect of law from people who maximize loophole usage.
When we killed Kennedy. That was the point we should have admitted being the bad gays.
> At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?
There had already been so many chances in the last couple centuries. I'm not holding my breath.
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No, I'm just forced to pay for it. Why do you ask?
I didn't think Iran had internet access except through Russian gateways for the wealthy? Are you by chance in the Cali "Little" Iran district?
Iran has Internet access friend.
you got me, oy vey
You mean again because they already attempted to assainate peace negotiators in Doha months ago
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Every time I see a photo of Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran, Abbas Araghchi, I instantly think I am looking at a picture of author Nicholas Nassim Talib (Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness).
Am I the only one?
What you can read between the lines is far more interesting than the headline.
I am giving the NYT the credibility that they thoroughly check their sources, so the question is why would anyone from the US Government want this to be publicly available information?
It makes all involved parties look like idiots.
This report basically says that the us administration currently has terrible intelligence relationships with Israel, if they have not been informed officially as a direct strategic partner in the Iran war over the planned operation. It’s kinda important if your ally plans to blow up the people you negotiate your own peace deal with, don’t you think?
It also means that the "we don’t spy on allies", Americans, indeed spy on allies. I’m absolutely shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
How else do you get in possession of information that your war ally didn’t seem necessary to share, if not by spying?
It also says that Mossad/IDF leaks at the highest level because the assassination of government officials who are actively brokering a peace deal is a kind of very high-level decision.
Still, if this actually happened this way, it’s not a power play to make this public, it is dumb. But dumb is the signature move of the current US administration, so it makes the report even more believable.
Will be interesting to see how this develops.
Gotta be the most “water is wet” headline I’ve ever read. They literally did this already.
When you say “water is wet” and someone asks for evidence, now you will have evidence.
We deny with all force this slanderous libel that evil people keep spreading because of their senseless hatred. Water is not just not wet, it's in fact the dryest imaginable substance. We have tested it thoroughly in our laboratories- which as everybody knows are the most advanced in the world- and we have found in it not the slightest amount of wetness. I have personally spoken with the US ambassador about this matter and he reaffirmed the complete trust of his country in the absolute dryness of water.
But is water still wet?
I don't necessarily look at a newspaper article as evidence. Especially when all the sources are "A U.S. official". Source quaility maters which is consistent with criminal case law.
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While the IRGC works out how to eliminate Jews from the planet.
“First they come for the Saturday people”
This is an absurd statement. Israel has been killing innocent people in the region since it was created. Iran is right to stand up to them. Bonus points that as an American they're also standing up for me against the Zionists who manipulate my government and steal my money.
Iran is only standing up for their flavor of killing innocent people.
I'm an American for sure doesn't represent me or are they standing up for me. You obviously don't listen to their supreme leaders hate speeches.
We are aligned against Zionism. Few countries are willing to stand up to Israel and Iran is #1 in that regard. Iran is the only country fighting the people bribing and blackmailing my government, stripping my rights and stealing my money.
lmao IRGC isn't rolling on the US, neither is islam in general if that's where you were trying point to that in the silence.
remind me what is their national chant? https://www.iranintl.com/en/202511042838
The chant, as officially translated by the government itself [1] means "Down with the USA". "Death to" is a purposeful (literal) mistranslation to make it sound like it's a genocidal statement.
1 e.g. https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/iran-te...
Once again Israel is making us a legitimate target.