Yeah, I wish there was an easy way to thumbs-down a petition.
> Whatever the dispute between Apple and EU regulators
Sounds like OP doesn't even know what the topic is, he just wants new Siri on his iPhone, and that's enough reason to pressure regulators into bending the rules in Apple's direction.
As another iPhone customer in the EU, I'd much rather prefer EU and its sovereign member states to be able to make their own decisions. Even if that means I don't get to enable whatever the new hotness Apple comes up with this year.
Or alternatively: I could just switch to another phone maker who isn't as hostile as Apple.
It's funny someone takes an Apple statement at face value instead of reading it for exactly what it is: they asked to be excluded from the law that was introduced to prevent exactly what Apple is trying to do.
After being denied an exception (which would have made mockery of the law), they come out all passive aggressive how EU is "not constructive".
I get sad reading the "What EU users are saying..." messages. A lot of them seem to be Apple fans that just bought their evasive narrative.
I fully understand that some Apple users are perfectly happy with Apple's closed garden, but they must understand that its primary and almost sole purpose is profit maximization and the counter-arguments to opening up are purely about avoiding any risk to said profit.
While there could very well have been technical considerations to be had, all their answers to DMA have been lies, non-compliance and malicious compliance, as they have no intention of discovering whether their margins relied on the walled garden or not.
I personally suspect that the impact would be quite small exactly because Apple users tend to enjoy and stay within the Apple experience (myself included when I used Apple products - there is no harm to prefering that user experience), but they don't intend to risk parting with as much as a cent regardless of what benefits users, and will happily burn money lobbying against that.
They do not have your interests in mind here, and their way of maliciously presenting this such that you as a user will be bothered and blame regulation for their "inability to deliver" is very much lobbying 101.
I live now in the EU and want Siri AI but not in that way.
I’m also not happy on how Apple ended up making 3rd party apps available in the EU. I don’t use it as a developer and as a user because it’s designed to work bad and be non profitable.
There was and I can assume still is bad behaving apps on the AppStore, my security and privacy is my right exactly as my right to compromise my privacy…
This petition vibe coded or not isn’t serving my interests of Apple designing balance that allows a user to decide on their device.
where can i sign up NOT to have siri on EU phones? We dont want that garbage here, and dont try to bend the rules. Apple is using this as a weapon and we should see it as such. Are you really that desperate to share all your life with google and apple that you have to try to change the law? What if we change Siri instead, make it all local an there is no issue. But apple does not like that, right, so you need to kiss their boot?
What's the problem? Just install another app, some alternative to Siri, I bet it will even work better and have the same system API access you can giv… ah, well… maybe that is what the EU regulation is all about?
Apple does have some good counter arguments. Where there is data, there will be bad actors who want that data - and I trust Apple far more to behave than I trust some random shell company being run by some secret service.
By definition, an AI assistant needs read-write access to all your data. We've seen enough reports of badly implemented AI here, we've seen enough scammers exploiting data troughs...
> Apple does have some good counter arguments. Where there is data, there will be bad actors who want that data - and I trust Apple far more to behave than I trust some random shell company being run by some secret service.
As a EU citizen, sharing your data between Apple and Google which puts said data under free-for-all US intelligence access - which is known to have "questionable" habits and give basically no rights or insight as a to-them foreign citizen - is effectively trusting "some secret service".
To be clear, I am not one to fear use Apple for intelligence reasons, but not through a pretense that my data is safe from it, and certainly not because I believe it would be safer than using, say, a service based in Germany or France.
I'm more concerned with data brokers trading personal data out in the open, collected with minimal control from all the other apps and webpages we use throughout our day.
Apple is clearly virtue-signalling. They will give access to other assistants through Trust Zone (or whatever it's called), but their assistant gets direct access to system services?
If Trust Zone is usable for other assistants, it is usable for Siri AI too: that's the whole idea behind DMA.
sure, but google will still get all your queries, so when you ask about something specific, you dont think they will figure out you are John Smith, on street X, asking about the ice cream shop down the street?
> sure, but google will still get all your queries,
They do not. Per Apple's documentation, they run on Apple's Private Compute Cloud [1] - while part of Google's GCP, full confidentiality is guaranteed that even Apple itself is not able to access user data.
That's more of an effort than I see any single competitor even attempting.
Why should any company acquiesce to a contemptible organization that ruined the web with useless cookie nag screens and is hellbent on banning encryption?
The EU has done severe damage to the security of the web by training users to click accept on nag screens like the EU-required cookie popups (83% click accept).
EU has exposed that web site operators care little for a good user experience and will take user tracking (external, non-required cookies) over it — and as you say, 83% of customers also do not care.
It is perfectly possible to construct web pages with no cookie consent nag screens. The fact that we accept nag screen reality is where the law has failed.
sure the EU is the problem of the web, no the horrible corporations sucking up every little piece of personal information they can to sell it. I feel so sorry for the suffering you have experiences while having to click "i accept", even when thats not even a requirement of the EU, just a sign of the horrible practices of the giant (mostly American) corporations.
So where is the button to say NO, we dont want Siri in the EU? Also, what BS is this LOL:
```
Delay has a cost.
Every month without modern assistants is a month of European students, workers, and businesses falling behind people elsewhere who already have these tools in their pocket.
```
"What EU users are saying"... and the first entry is a bunch of n-bombs. Yeah internet, stay classy... ffs.
Signed the petition because I think the EU institutions really should go and sit together with not just Apple but also the usual NGOs, but please, get someone to moderate user-generated content.
When you care so much about something that you just vibe code the whole thing including your manifesto. Wow. This is some empty crap right there.
Just the fact it got 16 comments (2 from me) already is a fun little nod to the asymmetry of effort on generating crap vs. being on the receiving end.
Yeah, I wish there was an easy way to thumbs-down a petition.
> Whatever the dispute between Apple and EU regulators
Sounds like OP doesn't even know what the topic is, he just wants new Siri on his iPhone, and that's enough reason to pressure regulators into bending the rules in Apple's direction.
As another iPhone customer in the EU, I'd much rather prefer EU and its sovereign member states to be able to make their own decisions. Even if that means I don't get to enable whatever the new hotness Apple comes up with this year.
Or alternatively: I could just switch to another phone maker who isn't as hostile as Apple.
It's funny you think Apple is the hostile party in the dispute.
It's funny someone takes an Apple statement at face value instead of reading it for exactly what it is: they asked to be excluded from the law that was introduced to prevent exactly what Apple is trying to do.
After being denied an exception (which would have made mockery of the law), they come out all passive aggressive how EU is "not constructive".
I get sad reading the "What EU users are saying..." messages. A lot of them seem to be Apple fans that just bought their evasive narrative.
I fully understand that some Apple users are perfectly happy with Apple's closed garden, but they must understand that its primary and almost sole purpose is profit maximization and the counter-arguments to opening up are purely about avoiding any risk to said profit.
While there could very well have been technical considerations to be had, all their answers to DMA have been lies, non-compliance and malicious compliance, as they have no intention of discovering whether their margins relied on the walled garden or not.
I personally suspect that the impact would be quite small exactly because Apple users tend to enjoy and stay within the Apple experience (myself included when I used Apple products - there is no harm to prefering that user experience), but they don't intend to risk parting with as much as a cent regardless of what benefits users, and will happily burn money lobbying against that.
They do not have your interests in mind here, and their way of maliciously presenting this such that you as a user will be bothered and blame regulation for their "inability to deliver" is very much lobbying 101.
What's the proposal here? Very little of substance other than "we want it"
I live now in the EU and want Siri AI but not in that way.
I’m also not happy on how Apple ended up making 3rd party apps available in the EU. I don’t use it as a developer and as a user because it’s designed to work bad and be non profitable.
There was and I can assume still is bad behaving apps on the AppStore, my security and privacy is my right exactly as my right to compromise my privacy…
This petition vibe coded or not isn’t serving my interests of Apple designing balance that allows a user to decide on their device.
A vibecoded petition with no clear expected outcomes and no actionable items whatsoever.
Is it just a honeypot to get names and emails? Why would people sign something like that?
You and I can smell vibe coded slop miles away. Most people can’t.
where can i sign up NOT to have siri on EU phones? We dont want that garbage here, and dont try to bend the rules. Apple is using this as a weapon and we should see it as such. Are you really that desperate to share all your life with google and apple that you have to try to change the law? What if we change Siri instead, make it all local an there is no issue. But apple does not like that, right, so you need to kiss their boot?
> people in Europe are the ones left without access. EU users should be able to use Siri AI on the devices they already own.
A direct consequence of more regulation more time to resolve regulatory questions.
The EU cash grabs don’t help the incentives either.
What's the problem? Just install another app, some alternative to Siri, I bet it will even work better and have the same system API access you can giv… ah, well… maybe that is what the EU regulation is all about?
Apple does have some good counter arguments. Where there is data, there will be bad actors who want that data - and I trust Apple far more to behave than I trust some random shell company being run by some secret service.
By definition, an AI assistant needs read-write access to all your data. We've seen enough reports of badly implemented AI here, we've seen enough scammers exploiting data troughs...
> Apple does have some good counter arguments. Where there is data, there will be bad actors who want that data - and I trust Apple far more to behave than I trust some random shell company being run by some secret service.
As a EU citizen, sharing your data between Apple and Google which puts said data under free-for-all US intelligence access - which is known to have "questionable" habits and give basically no rights or insight as a to-them foreign citizen - is effectively trusting "some secret service".
To be clear, I am not one to fear use Apple for intelligence reasons, but not through a pretense that my data is safe from it, and certainly not because I believe it would be safer than using, say, a service based in Germany or France.
I'm more concerned with data brokers trading personal data out in the open, collected with minimal control from all the other apps and webpages we use throughout our day.
Apple is clearly virtue-signalling. They will give access to other assistants through Trust Zone (or whatever it's called), but their assistant gets direct access to system services?
If Trust Zone is usable for other assistants, it is usable for Siri AI too: that's the whole idea behind DMA.
sure, but google will still get all your queries, so when you ask about something specific, you dont think they will figure out you are John Smith, on street X, asking about the ice cream shop down the street?
> sure, but google will still get all your queries,
They do not. Per Apple's documentation, they run on Apple's Private Compute Cloud [1] - while part of Google's GCP, full confidentiality is guaranteed that even Apple itself is not able to access user data.
That's more of an effort than I see any single competitor even attempting.
[1] https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/
[2] https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-third...
Why should any company acquiesce to a contemptible organization that ruined the web with useless cookie nag screens and is hellbent on banning encryption?
The EU has done severe damage to the security of the web by training users to click accept on nag screens like the EU-required cookie popups (83% click accept).
EU has exposed that web site operators care little for a good user experience and will take user tracking (external, non-required cookies) over it — and as you say, 83% of customers also do not care.
It is perfectly possible to construct web pages with no cookie consent nag screens. The fact that we accept nag screen reality is where the law has failed.
sure the EU is the problem of the web, no the horrible corporations sucking up every little piece of personal information they can to sell it. I feel so sorry for the suffering you have experiences while having to click "i accept", even when thats not even a requirement of the EU, just a sign of the horrible practices of the giant (mostly American) corporations.
The corporations can be evil and the government can also be incompetent and/or evil at the same time. It's not a dichotomy.
So where is the button to say NO, we dont want Siri in the EU? Also, what BS is this LOL:
``` Delay has a cost.
Every month without modern assistants is a month of European students, workers, and businesses falling behind people elsewhere who already have these tools in their pocket. ```
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"What EU users are saying"... and the first entry is a bunch of n-bombs. Yeah internet, stay classy... ffs.
Signed the petition because I think the EU institutions really should go and sit together with not just Apple but also the usual NGOs, but please, get someone to moderate user-generated content.