> the fossil record in this area comprises both extant and extinct deep-diving beaked whales. Isotopic dating shows that whale falls in this region have occurred since at least 5.3 million years ago
So this look less like an organized cemetery, and more like Mt Everest, also littered by bones of the less fortunate adventurers.
From the abstract it's possible that whale falls happen roughly evenly across the ocean and that the location is actually the one place without sediment burial occuring.
For as long as I've known of Gabe from working in the game industry, I somehow always forget about his not-so-little hobby of being a sea-faring cyber pirate.
SpaceX serves a large market that was underserved, via Starlink, and via satellite launches.
There's nothing comparably easy (for some values of "easy") to monetize underwater, except in shallow places like the continental shelves, and these areas are already being heavily developed (oil, wind).
There are many, many wonders deep underwater, but they are mostly not commercially interesting, alas.
Only when we have reached the far reaches of this planet, life as it used to be will cease to exist. Some may argue that it's the natural course of the universe but others would argue that a paradise should be left untouched when found, as it may be the only one.
I’ve always wanted to start a company that builds automated underwater swarms of “probes” that just search and return info and carry out small exploration tasks but over long amounts of time and space.
Do it right and you can send the first underwater explorers to Europa.
Hard to find the right way to monetize in the early stages though. SpaceX had a variety of options.
> Hard to find the right way to monetize in the early stages though.
Fugro got a tonne of money for sidescan surveys of large areas north of this Diamantina fracture zone up to the equator .. looking for traces of the lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
The search for the missing aircraft became the most expensive search in the history of aviation. It focused initially on the South China Sea and Andaman Sea, before a novel analysis of the aircraft's automated communications with an Inmarsat satellite indicated that the plane had travelled far southward over the southern Indian Ocean.
After a three-year search across 120,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) of ocean failed to locate the aircraft, the Joint Agency Coordination Centre heading the operation suspended its activities in January 2017. A second search launched in January 2018 by private contractor Ocean Infinity also ended without success after six months.
They're relatively big players in geodesy with fleets of ships, aircraft, land vehicles gathering all manner of multi channel and spectral data at, above, and below surface level (for all the surfaces, geodetic, gravitational, magnetic, Mean Sea, etc).
They tie in with the majors that build and deploy infrastructure for oil, gas, mineral exploration and exploitation.
Make several modular probes and give them fancy names.
Have various support classes like signal relay, charge stations, camera cleaning, resque etc
Sell rent lease the vehicles to customers who get to pilot them in vr.
Create a simulator where one can explore some already explored areas with the probes projected in real time. Create a market for map chunks.
I think it will make one hell of a game.
Roberts Space Industries Legatus bundle costs $48,000 USD and you only get pixels.
If you can have your own exploration submarine without having to deal with all the boring logistcs yourself people will gladly pay many times that and hire other players to do ingame jobs like keeping the signal alive.
If you can build the mothership with investors and crowdsourcing then maintain it with subscription fees and insurance policies it would be hilarious even before anyone finds anything interesting.
AUVs are a thing, but it's a very expensive area to be in, and there's a lot of challenges, especially the extremely high degree of autonomy you need in a much less predictable environment. Maybe recent advances in AI could move the needle there.
Well if you ever find a monetization path this is what I wanted to do for years. I don't know where Schmidt landed in the court of public opinion but I appreciate that the Schmidt Ocean Institute is a thing. I just wish these things didn't reek of billionaire vanity.
The zone this whale necropolis has been found within is named after the Australian Navy hydrographic, meteorological and oceanographic research vessel that first coarsely mapped this deepest part of the Indian ocean in 1960, during my father's time of service onboard.
Mind you, if you go the service path you might end up scrubbing toilets or close sampling atomic bomb sites ... so your mileage (and lifespan) may vary.
I actually work in this space. The difficulties of long-running underwater probes should not be discounted. Comms bandwidth without a tether is… quite slow. Dealing with even the tiniest drops of water inside the system is… a real problem. Salt water is also quite a problem. Deploy and retrieve is a real problem.
I won’t say I think outer space is easier, but the problem space is very different.
> I won’t say I think outer space is easier, but the problem space is very different.
You didn't even mention pressure. Space is only 1 atm off of sea level. 100 meters below the surface is 10 atm more than at sea level ... all sorts of cool stuff you might want to explore is way deeper than that.
Less of a problem for robots than people, but still a problem.
There are a lot of tricks to deal with pressure, related to filling electronic “bottles” with 1 atm of pressure via nonconductive fluid. You are correct though, pressure is also a phenomenon that has to be accounted for or you’re gonna have a bad time.
As a boat owner, I have had quite a time with salt water issues. Anything with an electrical current going through it exposed to salt and water is subject to serious, rapid corrosion. What you might imagine is "stainless" steel will, in fact, rust (unless correctly passivated and treated). The galvanic scale is not to be trifled with :). I can only imagine it gets exponentially worse the further below the surface you go.
>I feel like maybe we've needed an "OceanX" before a "SpaceX"
SpaceX is based on the idea that our planet will someday be uninhabitable, so we need to be ready to colonize other planets. The sooner we start, the sooner we get there.
OceanX might be fun science, but it's not going to save us.
The human condition is delicate and mortal, when you realise this you realise how important it is to do everything you can for Elon Musk while he's still alive
No, spaceX is based on the idea that Elon Musk likes rockets but loves money. The IPO proves that - the company pivoted to renting server capacity through xAI and pushing a ridiculous plan to put server farms in space via their constantly exploding starship as a means to inflate stock and make him a trillionaire.
The implication that SpaceX will "save us" is quite funny. If that was something the world truly worried about, our hopes cannot be on an american private company that might or might not save someone depending on their preferences or their political views.
The whole idea that we can simply pop off earth and colonize another planet is literally insane. There is a reason why no governement across the world is treating colonizing mars as a serious mission.
It is the same marketing technique as "AI WILL DESTROY THE WORLD so we must make it" fear-mongering based marketing. Of course a rocket company wants people to colonize mars, doesn't mean its going to "save" humanity.
>The implication that SpaceX will "save us" is quite funny.
nobody implied that. some people state the hope for it but that does not include me, I simply explained why OceanX does not satisfy SpaceX's goals.
everybody on this site is interested in the topic of exploring other planets in any solar system. that's all SpaceX is trying to do, but because of extraneous irrational unmet emotional needs people here simply lose their shit when the topic of SpaceX comes up.
Meanwhile, SpaceX will continue to be NASA's primary subcontractor. "Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe." (The dogs bark. The caravan passes.)
> the fossil record in this area comprises both extant and extinct deep-diving beaked whales. Isotopic dating shows that whale falls in this region have occurred since at least 5.3 million years ago
So this look less like an organized cemetery, and more like Mt Everest, also littered by bones of the less fortunate adventurers.
funny that this summary is paywalled but the actual article is open access
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10546-z
Enclosing the commons has long been an effective way to make money.
Both are hosted by nature.com though...
Thanks so much.
> Isotopic dating shows that whale falls in this region have occurred since at least 5.3 million years ago
Anyone know why these wouldn't be covered under a thick layer of sediment?
From the abstract it's possible that whale falls happen roughly evenly across the ocean and that the location is actually the one place without sediment burial occuring.
I feel like maybe we've needed an "OceanX" before a "SpaceX".
Hey, Gabe Newell might be your man here. But it's not for profit.
https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/gabe-newell-explorer-ve...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/deajusufi/2026/06/13/gabe-newel...
For as long as I've known of Gabe from working in the game industry, I somehow always forget about his not-so-little hobby of being a sea-faring cyber pirate.
SpaceX serves a large market that was underserved, via Starlink, and via satellite launches.
There's nothing comparably easy (for some values of "easy") to monetize underwater, except in shallow places like the continental shelves, and these areas are already being heavily developed (oil, wind).
There are many, many wonders deep underwater, but they are mostly not commercially interesting, alas.
What about deep sea mining ? What about those poly metallic nodules there ?
We definitively have stuff to fuck up over there. Those ecosystem that do not know noise or light need disruption and market capitalization
https://noduleresearch.com/
Only when we have reached the far reaches of this planet, life as it used to be will cease to exist. Some may argue that it's the natural course of the universe but others would argue that a paradise should be left untouched when found, as it may be the only one.
That's what OceanGate of imploding submarine fame was trying to be.
I’ve always wanted to start a company that builds automated underwater swarms of “probes” that just search and return info and carry out small exploration tasks but over long amounts of time and space.
Do it right and you can send the first underwater explorers to Europa.
Hard to find the right way to monetize in the early stages though. SpaceX had a variety of options.
> Hard to find the right way to monetize in the early stages though.
Fugro got a tonne of money for sidescan surveys of large areas north of this Diamantina fracture zone up to the equator .. looking for traces of the lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370somehow Ive always thought fugro was a person and not a company
They're relatively big players in geodesy with fleets of ships, aircraft, land vehicles gathering all manner of multi channel and spectral data at, above, and below surface level (for all the surfaces, geodetic, gravitational, magnetic, Mean Sea, etc).
They tie in with the majors that build and deploy infrastructure for oil, gas, mineral exploration and exploitation.
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Sounds good.
Make several modular probes and give them fancy names.
Have various support classes like signal relay, charge stations, camera cleaning, resque etc
Sell rent lease the vehicles to customers who get to pilot them in vr.
Create a simulator where one can explore some already explored areas with the probes projected in real time. Create a market for map chunks.
I think it will make one hell of a game.
Roberts Space Industries Legatus bundle costs $48,000 USD and you only get pixels.
If you can have your own exploration submarine without having to deal with all the boring logistcs yourself people will gladly pay many times that and hire other players to do ingame jobs like keeping the signal alive.
If you can build the mothership with investors and crowdsourcing then maintain it with subscription fees and insurance policies it would be hilarious even before anyone finds anything interesting.
AUVs are a thing, but it's a very expensive area to be in, and there's a lot of challenges, especially the extremely high degree of autonomy you need in a much less predictable environment. Maybe recent advances in AI could move the needle there.
Yep. The AI advances and pushing for much more autonomy are why I think there’s something new possible here.
Well if you ever find a monetization path this is what I wanted to do for years. I don't know where Schmidt landed in the court of public opinion but I appreciate that the Schmidt Ocean Institute is a thing. I just wish these things didn't reek of billionaire vanity.
The zone this whale necropolis has been found within is named after the Australian Navy hydrographic, meteorological and oceanographic research vessel that first coarsely mapped this deepest part of the Indian ocean in 1960, during my father's time of service onboard.
Mind you, if you go the service path you might end up scrubbing toilets or close sampling atomic bomb sites ... so your mileage (and lifespan) may vary.
Alas my skill set is probably better utilized designing and building the underwater research drones.
I actually work in this space. The difficulties of long-running underwater probes should not be discounted. Comms bandwidth without a tether is… quite slow. Dealing with even the tiniest drops of water inside the system is… a real problem. Salt water is also quite a problem. Deploy and retrieve is a real problem.
I won’t say I think outer space is easier, but the problem space is very different.
> I won’t say I think outer space is easier, but the problem space is very different.
You didn't even mention pressure. Space is only 1 atm off of sea level. 100 meters below the surface is 10 atm more than at sea level ... all sorts of cool stuff you might want to explore is way deeper than that.
Less of a problem for robots than people, but still a problem.
There are a lot of tricks to deal with pressure, related to filling electronic “bottles” with 1 atm of pressure via nonconductive fluid. You are correct though, pressure is also a phenomenon that has to be accounted for or you’re gonna have a bad time.
The comms problems are exactly what makes it interesting to me, since autonomy is fully required really.
> Salt water is also quite a problem
As a boat owner, I have had quite a time with salt water issues. Anything with an electrical current going through it exposed to salt and water is subject to serious, rapid corrosion. What you might imagine is "stainless" steel will, in fact, rust (unless correctly passivated and treated). The galvanic scale is not to be trifled with :). I can only imagine it gets exponentially worse the further below the surface you go.
Given humans' propensity for ruthless exploitation with disastrous side effects on the environment, I'd rather not.
Avatar. In realising stic scenarios they wouldn't win.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_World:_A_Story_of_U...
Capitalism and stock markets would drive them to become Avatar'esque villains.
>I feel like maybe we've needed an "OceanX" before a "SpaceX"
SpaceX is based on the idea that our planet will someday be uninhabitable, so we need to be ready to colonize other planets. The sooner we start, the sooner we get there.
OceanX might be fun science, but it's not going to save us.
Colonizing another planet will never be easier than our own biosphere. That claim for SpaceX is pure nonsense.
The human condition is delicate and mortal, when you realise this you realise how important it is to do everything you can for Elon Musk while he's still alive
Did you buy SpaceX stock? Will you buy more and keep buying?
No, spaceX is based on the idea that Elon Musk likes rockets but loves money. The IPO proves that - the company pivoted to renting server capacity through xAI and pushing a ridiculous plan to put server farms in space via their constantly exploding starship as a means to inflate stock and make him a trillionaire.
The implication that SpaceX will "save us" is quite funny. If that was something the world truly worried about, our hopes cannot be on an american private company that might or might not save someone depending on their preferences or their political views.
The whole idea that we can simply pop off earth and colonize another planet is literally insane. There is a reason why no governement across the world is treating colonizing mars as a serious mission.
It is the same marketing technique as "AI WILL DESTROY THE WORLD so we must make it" fear-mongering based marketing. Of course a rocket company wants people to colonize mars, doesn't mean its going to "save" humanity.
>The implication that SpaceX will "save us" is quite funny.
nobody implied that. some people state the hope for it but that does not include me, I simply explained why OceanX does not satisfy SpaceX's goals.
everybody on this site is interested in the topic of exploring other planets in any solar system. that's all SpaceX is trying to do, but because of extraneous irrational unmet emotional needs people here simply lose their shit when the topic of SpaceX comes up.
Meanwhile, SpaceX will continue to be NASA's primary subcontractor. "Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe." (The dogs bark. The caravan passes.)
Warning: the photos are nightmare fuel and not safe for bedtime
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