Every time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I feel like reality is broken.
The level of disaster of that rollout, combined with D.O.G.E. and "Mechahitler" Grok, has forever tarnished the Tesla brand. I suspect there is a sizable group of people who will never buy a product by that brand ever again (or at least as long as Musk is at the helm).
Yes, when he said the Jews were intentionally importing substandard humans into western nations to undermine the US, I didn't need hand gestures to think he's a Nazi either.
Every time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I am still just stunned by the crappy design — like a dumpster designed for anti-performance — the wheel positioning and size is all wrong, and the metalwork always looks cheap because the 'flat' surfaces are always wavy or rippled, and the seams don't match up properly.
I am definitely one of those people who used to look forward to buying a Tesla next time I change vehicles, but will never consider it now (and I'm big on electric vehicles).
Volkswagen was handed over to be run by a British military officer immediately following the war.
Tesla’s board decided after the war was lost to not only let the nazi sympathizer continue running the company, but to give him an egregiously disproportionate compensation package. The guy who single handedly pushed the biggest failure in the history of the company (cybertruck) is apparently the only one who can save the company.
I expect at some point they’ll be acquired for pennies on the dollar by a Chinese company or if Trump gets his way he’ll insist on a government takeover.
The board and shareholders had their chance to dump Musk a few weeks ago; they could have just turned down his ridiculous pay package and he would have left. They didn't so he'll be dragging them down for at least another decade.
”The end of credits hit many EV rivals harder. Overall U.S. EV sales fell more than 41% in November and Tesla's market share rose to 56.7% from 43.1%, the data showed.”
So EV sales are down, less so for Tesla than other makers, but someone needed a catchy headline? I mean, I have absolutely no love for Tesla, but am I wrong in thinking that this is a little click-baity?
The article isn’t focused on Tesla’s market share, it’s focused on the mix of standard and premium product offerings they’ve rolled out lately and the effect that has had on absolute unit sales (and margins).
As it is they still can’t sell as many cars as they used to, which stands in contrast to Elon’s pay package.
This number makes no sense. In the space of one month Tesla's market share increased by over 30%? On overall declining sales, including for Tesla?
Nothing about that makes sense.
> According to an Experian Automotive report on electric vehicles, out of the 292.3 million cars and trucks on the road in the U.S. in 2024, approximately 4,092,200 (1.4%) of those were electric cars.
So 43% would be 1.76M. Going to 57% would be 2.33M, i.e. nearly 600K sales. Except:
> Demand for Standard versions was expected to support sales in November, but the company's total sales fell nearly 23% to 39,800 vehicles from 51,513 a year earlier and were the lowest since January 2022, according to the data from Cox, which tracks sales across the industry.
Whatever "math" is happening in this article is fundamentally broken.
Unless they mean "the market sale of EVs in November", in which case 39,800 of 70,000 is Tesla, up from... 31,000?
So Tesla's monthly sales drops to a 4 year low, down 23%, but somehow 8,800 vehicles is enough to increase market share by 30%+? I have no idea what mashup of numbers is happening here.
I'm still shocked they have any sales at all. You couldn't pay me to drive around in one of Musk's Hitler-mobiles. There is no way I would pay money for one of his cars or support him in any way.
That's an illuminating headline compared to the bubble I exist in. Living in the eastside suburbs of Seattle, it's common to see three or four Teslas whizz by one after another.
Every time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I feel like reality is broken.
The level of disaster of that rollout, combined with D.O.G.E. and "Mechahitler" Grok, has forever tarnished the Tesla brand. I suspect there is a sizable group of people who will never buy a product by that brand ever again (or at least as long as Musk is at the helm).
I notice you skipped mentioning the CEO doing nazi salutes.
I love how they claim it wasn't a nazi salute... that was absolutely a nazi salute. Nobody can watch that and say that it wasn't.
I saw it live (before all the commentary) and didn’t think it was a nazi salute :/
What do you think now?
When I watched a very short clip juxtaposed next to a clip of a nazi salute, then it looked like one to me.
But when I watched it in context, it looked like a man putting a hand on his heart and then proffering his thanks to the audience.
My belief is that it was most likely not a nazi salute and is not relevant evidence in the important task of assessing Musk's political stances.
Looked like a man putting a hand on his heart and then saluting the fuhrer.
I watched the whole thing live, that was a Sieg Heil snap and all, and it fits with his edgelord persona.
Your belief is incorrect
Yes, when he said the Jews were intentionally importing substandard humans into western nations to undermine the US, I didn't need hand gestures to think he's a Nazi either.
Yup
Every time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I am still just stunned by the crappy design — like a dumpster designed for anti-performance — the wheel positioning and size is all wrong, and the metalwork always looks cheap because the 'flat' surfaces are always wavy or rippled, and the seams don't match up properly.
I am definitely one of those people who used to look forward to buying a Tesla next time I change vehicles, but will never consider it now (and I'm big on electric vehicles).
Eventually, they’ll be fine. Wolkswagen was established by the German nazi regime and it has been fine for a long time in spite of its past.
Volkswagen was handed over to be run by a British military officer immediately following the war.
Tesla’s board decided after the war was lost to not only let the nazi sympathizer continue running the company, but to give him an egregiously disproportionate compensation package. The guy who single handedly pushed the biggest failure in the history of the company (cybertruck) is apparently the only one who can save the company.
I expect at some point they’ll be acquired for pennies on the dollar by a Chinese company or if Trump gets his way he’ll insist on a government takeover.
Great example, but I'm no so sure.
The board and shareholders had their chance to dump Musk a few weeks ago; they could have just turned down his ridiculous pay package and he would have left. They didn't so he'll be dragging them down for at least another decade.
> the rest of its lineup is older models with minor refreshes.
minor refreshes = removing critical controls like turn signal and drive select stalks.
Who would want to go from several dedicated tactile controls in model s/x to no stalks and few controls?
I'm very happy with the new design. I miss the buttons when I drive a car with stalks.
From TFA:
”The end of credits hit many EV rivals harder. Overall U.S. EV sales fell more than 41% in November and Tesla's market share rose to 56.7% from 43.1%, the data showed.”
So EV sales are down, less so for Tesla than other makers, but someone needed a catchy headline? I mean, I have absolutely no love for Tesla, but am I wrong in thinking that this is a little click-baity?
The article isn’t focused on Tesla’s market share, it’s focused on the mix of standard and premium product offerings they’ve rolled out lately and the effect that has had on absolute unit sales (and margins).
As it is they still can’t sell as many cars as they used to, which stands in contrast to Elon’s pay package.
Given that, the title seems accurate to me.
This number makes no sense. In the space of one month Tesla's market share increased by over 30%? On overall declining sales, including for Tesla?
Nothing about that makes sense.
> According to an Experian Automotive report on electric vehicles, out of the 292.3 million cars and trucks on the road in the U.S. in 2024, approximately 4,092,200 (1.4%) of those were electric cars.
So 43% would be 1.76M. Going to 57% would be 2.33M, i.e. nearly 600K sales. Except:
> Demand for Standard versions was expected to support sales in November, but the company's total sales fell nearly 23% to 39,800 vehicles from 51,513 a year earlier and were the lowest since January 2022, according to the data from Cox, which tracks sales across the industry.
Whatever "math" is happening in this article is fundamentally broken.
Unless they mean "the market sale of EVs in November", in which case 39,800 of 70,000 is Tesla, up from... 31,000?
So Tesla's monthly sales drops to a 4 year low, down 23%, but somehow 8,800 vehicles is enough to increase market share by 30%+? I have no idea what mashup of numbers is happening here.
> Whatever "math" is happening in this article is fundamentally broken.
No. They're talking about sales and market share in November.
The short version is Tesla is selling fewer cars these days.
If Tesla fires Musk I'll buy one of their cars that day
Even if they fire him he'll still have a huge amount of ownership in the company...
stunning and brave
I'm still shocked they have any sales at all. You couldn't pay me to drive around in one of Musk's Hitler-mobiles. There is no way I would pay money for one of his cars or support him in any way.
Used Model 3s are a steal though
What shocks me even more is that TSLA is still about 10% up YoY. What path to (hyper-)profitability are investors seeing?
stunning and brave, if only history always had one of you, nothing bad would have ever happened
That's an illuminating headline compared to the bubble I exist in. Living in the eastside suburbs of Seattle, it's common to see three or four Teslas whizz by one after another.